Comments on: India Pakistan Military Comparison

By: capton

capton — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:48:20 +0000

dilawar,

Pakistan has more better weapons than India because he is not developing them but begging them from US, China and other countries. Yes of course quantity doesn’t matter over quality but tell me one thing that if your army is more better than India Army then why you couldn’t be able to occupy full Kashmir?

Why your great 93,000 army personnel surrendered in front of India? Why Bangladesh came in existence if you had better army then India? Pakistan is jumping because of China and India also know that. May be corruption in India, our weapons may be less advanced but don’t make a mistake of underestimating India’s capabilities.

Your China can also don’t do it alone because they also know that if they attack on India alone they will be no more super power and that’s why they are giving arms to Pakistan so that Pakistan fight with India and his objective achieved without loosing much.

If you have brain think about it. If you don’t have then come and attack to India and see the results.

By: dilawar

dilawar — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:32:54 +0000

your have been miss guided by your government plz read my following message

By: dilawar

dilawar — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:30:17 +0000

oh my god you have less information about the real picture. i think you are being miss guided by some one or by your corrupt government. the real picture is that Pakistan has better weapons than India and i accept that India has big army but my dear quantity is not a big deal. The quality is better than quantity and India very well know courage of Pakistani army. my dear this have proved by the time in war that how India defeated in all field by Pakistan. you know that you consider that Pakistan is your real rival and you want to defeat but Pakistan is facing lot of enemies like India. if your army is better, your first priority is to defeat Pakistan but it would not be happen because Pakistani army has quality and its friend country like china, Iran, Srilanka, suadiarab, and all Muslim countries are with Pakistan. And my dear i proud to be Pakistani.

By: vineet

vineet — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:30:08 +0000

yes my friend the world has seen the vigour of ur ppl in 1965 1971 and 1999 when all three times u surrendered at our feet. . . .

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:16:52 +0000

Ha ha ha ha …. I can’t remain laughing yaar….

The Probaganda that one Pakistan solider is equal to 4 Indian Solidiers led to 1965 war… Can you kindly show that is the International reports?

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:03:20 +0000

Hello, Ask the international community who trains terrorists aginst whom?

I am not really sure whether India trains terrorist against against Pakistan, I hope you are doing something in Kashmir and we should do 6 X (What you do in Kashmir)

If one bombs explodes in India, 6 bombs should explode in Pakistan, I know an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind… but no other go. We have to give your own medicine to make you to come to senses.

You are allowing the Pakistani Terrorists to speak Ani-India Jihad, We should also arm the Baloch militants and Anti Pakistani Taliban to fight against the Pakistani’s.

Kashmir is an integral part of India, Periods… Refrain from making statements on it.

If you are ready to wage 100 years war… We are ready to wage a war till the last Indian survives.

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:55:20 +0000

He is not a Puppet, He can dissolve the government, He is the supreme commander of Armed forces.

No one can challenge him in the court of law, The only thing which can challenge his is the Pariliment, That incudes the opposition also.

If President post is puppent, We could have made little puppy dog as President…. Sorry buddy that also requires some basic requirements.

By: gohar

gohar — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:31:56 +0000

sir your so called president is mere a puppet.practically he can do nothing.try to peep into reality.

By: gohar

gohar — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:28:44 +0000

hw nice if india stop training terrorists against pakistan in india as well as in afghanistan[10 camps]the problem would b easily solve . y doesnt india realize that kashmir is the integral part of pakistan?if indid accepts than peace can prevail.

By: true pakistani

true pakistani — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:01:27 +0000

you think so because you are not told the facts.you dont study the international reports.1965 and kargul,your army was on shameful defeat and i tell you that our 10000 army is more than enough to defeat your army and your army knows it well.

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:52:47 +0000

Hey buddy,
Simple logic, Give your proof to International court.. and give your proof to you all whethered friend China, and allay America.

And if they accept your proof, then you speak. Rehman malik says ‘We have a very credible proof on Indian Involvement’

Shah Mehmood Qureshi says ‘The proof which we have against India is not enough, Still we need to arrive at consensus’

You are giving weapons to terrorists and asking them to kill innocent civilians.

even if your statement is true… We are giving arms to civilians asking them to fight the Armed Pakistani soliders.

I hope this is much more fair.

By: true pakistani

true pakistani — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:33:05 +0000

because you interfere our country and your are involved in spreading terrorism in our country in balochistan and fata.do not interfere our countru

By: Atul

Atul — Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:17:23 +0000

Dear Mr. Haider ,

You must know that due to the paki’s divisional policy , the bangladesh , which was the muslim nation devided from pak. Till today you are telling the persons who came from india as Mujahir. What do you think If india becomes a muslim nation will the battle betn. india and pak Finish, no, never, not at all , because of your such mean mentality.

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:56:07 +0000

occording to Madrass people.

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:54:22 +0000

because they are foolish.

By: chandras

chandras — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:50:52 +0000

if u r saying about AUKAT, then turn your aukats like us atleast and do some progress and come to smash us and u will see your daydreams into nightmares. you silly fellow,we will show the worsrt day in history , which will never repeat again.

By: chandras

chandras — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:32:45 +0000

ya great joke,believe in facts rather than researchers, the problem is u cannot think of peace and harmony (which u even cannot desire and deserve).let the day come u will find yourself nowhere to watch your silly,self built dreams. poor mad lad.u carry a lot of misconception about the indian mentality it seems.let the time arrive….reaally i wish and even u will see it. till that time brush your weapon.

By: chandras

chandras — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:22:33 +0000

hey man how r u,
thumbs up,why u waste your time on these sick people.these pakis cannot understand anything out of religion.they are sick due to their surronding, they always want a reason to fight under the name of religion and try to undermine people of muslim religion in india.how one can imagine about people who have their houses made of mud and cowdung,holding AK-47,s and their kids playing with empty magzines to think of peace and development. these minds are completely been breeded with hate and thats why they are ready to fight with anybody under the name of religion(which their trainers or false gurus brainwash).our world is entirely different from their world. thoughtful and liberal.they are jealous about our country and its development which is the root cause and the real truth.as saying goes neighbours who r jealous of u,should be there around u so that u prosper more.they try all sorts of tricks and oneday fall under your feet. these pakistanis have no history of any particular international achievements compared to indians and cannot have unless the mindset is to change.yes they have achievements which have gained international acknowledgement like raising terrorists and troubling neighbours. look how the talibans are troubling them today,letting them no time to wash dust off their faces.do you think these illiterate jackasses like talibans to stay quiet even after the whole scenario cools off. no ,these devils will find reasons to fight and fight for an unknown fantasies in the name of religion, only to see the poor masses to fear them.damn such people and ignore them my friend.or else they will try to suggest you how always they are right and true.i personally believe that human being has to get out of this religion mask and realise who is really good maybe he belongs to any religion ,creed or caste.this what god of all religions must be telling us,but we like sheeps are moving like dumbs totally ignorant what is true.

By: Rustam-e-hind

Rustam-e-hind — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:03:15 +0000

come on Hassan keema… one more time!!
post the same comment again.. its still not making waves

By: capton

capton — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:25:04 +0000

Rezan,

Now I want to show you a link
http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/india_belongs_to_all_indians_rahul_gandhi.php?page=1

see the response against Thakeray’s nonsense speech. This is the link of local Indian site and all comments are made by Indians and you’ll not find even a single comment agree with Thakery. Do you know why? just because Thakeray can influence few uneducated people but he can’t fool the whole community.

By: capton

capton — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:57:18 +0000

Of course Thackeray has an influence on few thousand people but when you’ll compare it with overall population of maharashtra or Mumbai then you’ll know that this ratio is very small. Few thousand people agree with him because most of them are not well educated, they are poor and don’t have jobs. Thakarey noticed this frustation and used it for his benefit. Even he also knows that they can’t get jobs untill they don’t become eligible for it.

Nobody would agree to give job a person having less skill over a highly skilled person on the basis of region or state. Thakrey also know this fact but few people don’t understand this and consider Thakarey as a hero without knowing the fact that he is playing with their minds.

Although it is very shameful for an Indian that such type of people is not get punished just because politics. Yes few people agree with Thakery’s words but they are not such arogant that they beat North Indian people. Shiv Sena and MNS party’s member’s are doing this to come in focus that they are doing for local public.

A normal Indian knows the truth behind this and that’s why Thakery’s value is not more than a street dog in India. India is more friendly to any country untill it not hurts their country’s interests. See everything can’t be perfect instantly there also few problems exists but it doesn’t meant that whole country thinks like that.
Once take a look on your political speeches, Hamid Gul, Lakvi etc. who are poisioning whole community. Why can’t you stop them?

By: Murthi

Murthi — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:46:31 +0000

What about Hindus and Hinduism in Pakistan ?
extinct ?
How their numbers were drastically reduced since
independence ?

By: Rezan

Rezan — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:14:40 +0000

People like Thackeray,Modi and their likes are easily dismissed as lunatics or trouble makers but they command a great respect among a fair section of the Hindu society in Maharashtra and Gujarat. They are looked upon as heroes. One cannot easily ignore them. They end up creating havoc for India’s democracy.How a man like Modi is allowed to not only hang on in power but is looked upon with admiration by even some south Indians.
Even if one agrees to your comments not to take these people seriously just read the comments sent by the pubic in general. Did you notice the hate for all Muslims. One comment said:’All Khans are traitors’. Another went right back into Mughal history. They seem to just wait for a chance and then the true nature comes out.
I however appreciate your optimistic and positive viewpoint and wish more Indians think like you.

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:47:10 +0000

Bal Thakrey… A good Joker…..

We don’t consider him as an national politician…. He can never be one…. He have rosen up by acting against the South Indians, His nephew Raj Thakrey followed his foot paths and acted against North Indians….

If you have mullah’s why can’t we have Hindu politicians…

His comments are not taken so seriously…. Shah Rukh Khan knows it…

“only shows how revengeful and hateful these Indian politicians are” You are creating a big scene… The Indian government had reacted so critically when Shah Rukh was frisked in US Airport.

We can also imagine what if Pakistan takes over Kashmir from India.. But it is never going to happen, Like wise these jokers cannot come to power especially in Maharastra…..

By: Murthi

Murthi — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:50:47 +0000

APJ Kalam, AR Rehman,Aamir Khan, Salman Khan, Shahrukh Khan, Ustad Bismillah khan, Zakhir Hussain, Allah Rakha, Mohamad Azharuddin(until match fixing), Zaheer Khan, Pathan brothers, Nawab of Pataudi, Shabna Azmi, Gulzar, Javed Akthar, MF Hussain.

I have not even specified 1/10000th of the name here. All are world famous celebrated muslims of India.

I want you to name a few famous Hindus of Pakistan

By: capton

capton — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:21:04 +0000

Bal Thakeray & Raj Thakeray belongs to the same category in which Hamid gul and Zakir-Ul-Rahman Lakwi (pardon if spelling wrong) who don’t have any business with country’s development and growth. They only want to get power and for this they can do anything.

You also know that what Sharukh said but to understand this Thakeray need to have a normal brain but his brain is busy in getting existance in Maharashtra. In this case I’m repeating your words that they are not an important part of community. It’s nothing just a political stunt and it is not the thought of India. Thakeray’s power is decreasing and such type of guys have no future that’s why they raise such useless issues for their benefit and plays with brains for local average minded people.

Thakeray has influence on only few lacs people and the reason is fear and politics but Sharukh has influence in overall the world so you should consider Sharukh khan’s words.

This can’t be proof as this is a crap of Thakrey. Such type of people must be jailed or shooted. I suggest you to take thorough research about both country’s muslims and you’ll know the truth.

By: Rezan

Rezan — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:34:23 +0000

capton. U always ask for proof and evidence. Go toww.sify.com .Read today’s headlines of bal Thackeray’s comments n Sharukh Khan.Most of all read the postings and comments by the public on this subject. You will then believe what tell about Indian Hindus hatred for Indian Muslims.

By: Rezan

Rezan — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:59:33 +0000

Check this link out.

http://sify.com/news/shah-rukh-deserves-nishaan-e-pakistan-bal-thackeray-news-national
Mr Bal thackeray has made a vitriolic comment on the Indian actor Sharrukh Khan who has popularised Indian films across the world and certainly deserves the highest appreciation from all Indians. This ugly comment was made by mr thackeray bigoted hindu as he is just because shahrukh criticised the exclusion of Pakistani cricket team for the IPL. This was a matter of sports. How this comment is so exaggerated and vicious only shows how revengeful and hateful these Indian politicians are .No matter even if the Muslims of India give their lives to prove their loyalty they will never never be appreciated. Imagine if they were in power they would created a holocaust in India against all Muslims.

By: chauhadry

chauhadry — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58:55 +0000

if u wl i mst b wth u 2 attnd clsses…….??lol.

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:22:12 +0000

I heard that Pakistanis knows only to speak…. They are not fit for anything else and they will call themselves that they are equal to India in all the fields… So thought to speak to some Pakistanis…

But I am sorry to say they are not speaking anything with logic…. If I tell anything they will bring in Islam into it….. They cannot live, breathe, speak, write even shit without thinking Islam….

History = Myth for Pakistan….. Rezan used to tell me that I have never read the History about the sub continent, But unfortunately I know Mughal History more than him.

He told there were nothing good mentioned about the MUghals in Indian History.

http://www.textbooksonline.tn.nic.in/Books/09/Std09-SS-EM.pdf

http://www.textbooksonline.tn.nic.in/

The Above Links are taken from the textbooks…. It is the Government site, So it should be taken as a valid Proof.

By: capton

capton — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:18:59 +0000

Rezan, cool down and consider this as my personal advise that don’t jump to a conclusion without proper analysis and understanding the point. First try to think that what HardCoreIndian said. He’s not claiming that Taj Mahal was built by an hindu king but he’s saying that muslim king couldn’t be able to make it untill he didn’t got the skilled labor and technicians and most of them were non-muslims. It doesn’t mean that muslim people and technicians were not involved it means it was an team work of both hindu and muslim people in the form of labour and knowledge.

See you can’t deny the fact that if we exclude few muslim ruler then most muslim ruler came as attacker and they destroyed the hindu temples. They broke the scupltures of hindu god and I’ve seen few of those sculpture. This is also a fact that many muslim buildings and mosques were build in the place of temples which were destroyed for this purpose. But it was that time and this time is different. We can’t do about history but we can save our present and future.

If you want to know the truth then research about India before muslim aggression and you’ll find that India was not a dry and dark. There is a glorious history before muslim aggression. Decayed community, fighting kings, corruption was a single side of a picture and a small part. Search about Chandragupta Mourya and you’ll know that he was the greatest king in the indian history had done unmatched work for public. His empire were that much biggest that Mughal and even Britisher’s could only dream it but couldn’t get it. Chandragupta Mourya’s empire included Pakistan, Afganistan, Myamar, Java, Sumatra, Maleysia etc. His empire shared border with Iran and china.

Can you imagine that at the time of Chandragupta Mourya gold and diamonds were used to sold on roads like vegetables. This was the India who was shiner then any country and were major exporter of goods, spices, diamonds, golds etc to Europian countries. And this was the thing which attracted many muslim attackers. They came for looting India and this was the thing due to which Babar decided to stay in India. If you don’t believe just research about it.

And if you are talking about Arabic language then I don’t agree that a language takes that much time. It depends upon personal capacity, few can learn it within few months and few takes years.

You are again and again telling that Indian muslims are not happy and they are not getting their right then I’m again and again asking you to give any relevent proof and I’ve explained the necessity of proof here. Without any proof your words would be taken as speech of a play.

Very easily you divided India into two countries, North India and South India. But see this is not Koria or Germany, this is India and it can’t be divided. Think once that what is Pakistan’s current position among world’s eye? Nothing, European countries consider Pakistan as a failed state and they don’t count you guys. Now if see Pakistan as Indian state and then your position will raise automatically because if India includes Pakistan as it’s state then there are no country who can challange India. Not even USA and China and world would respect you but we all not that much lucky.

Think once that how it could be better if there were no borders and Pakistan as indian state then might we were giving each other best wishes of future and using our time in for some creative things like career, education etc. Don’t you want to see Taj Mahal without any visa, passport and no limit live anywhere you want, work anywhere. But unfortunately nobody is here ready to understand because everybody is not ready to throw their narrow mindedness and specticles of religion, blind nationalism and hate. Good Luck to all here because you all are wasting time rather then doing some creative.

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:58:00 +0000

@Brilliant Rezan,
You have lauded Capton and Quanda for typing things in a real nice way… Can they tell that I am a stupid and spoiling the mood of the members of the forum.

Or can you get Omer Jamil to tell that I am spoil the mood of forum? If I am not telling anything that suits your advantage… I am spoiling the mood of the Forum…. Hum… Baseless probaganda…

Since time immemorial the Indian sub-continent Belonged to the Dravidians…. Later came the Aryans… Then the Muslims and then the English.

I am a dravidian… This Indian sub-continent is ours more than yours… I know these types of discussions does not get us anywhere… but How can you tell I do not belong here? None of your concern… Who asked you to reply to my posts?

I sincerly ask you a Question? You told some stories like the Arabic is very hard to write and is the most difficult bla, bla bla… (I hope you will even tell that Microsoft, Citi Bank and Google hires only the people who knows to read and write Arabic.. I cant remain laughing.)

Building Taj Mahal is more difficult task than writing on the walls that most cannot Understand… I never told that the Writings were written by Hindu masons…. It could have been written by the great scholars from Persia…. Taj Mahal is not famous for those writings…. It is famous for the building… Which was built by Hindu Masons… It took 22 years to built the Taj Mahal there were more that 20000 workers working daily…. If the mughal rulers had welcomed 20000 workers from Persia then the ratio of Muslim to India could have tourned to 60:40…..

Kindly let me know which building in Persia is as famous as Taj Mahal and similar to taj mahal…. If you built on 20X20 building and say if it is same as TajMahal… Then I can call you fool….. You are telling what I tell is so false…. Give me a valid article which says otherwise… Else never ever speak to me or reply to me.

For those reading it… Please go to the site Which I mentioned before and see who are all the Authors and the proof readers at the bottom of the page and even you can get in touch with them to know the truth… It is not a news which get published in No-Name Pakistan News papers….

You call me anti-Pakistani… To an extent I agree, I am against Pakistan Government and Army not against Pakistanis… But you are try to show me as a anti-muslim…… All that you guys want is that the Indian Hindu should kill Indian Muslim and Vice versa…. All your comments shows that type of wish…. But that will never ever happen.

Simple difference… Indian Muslim have brain to think… where as this is not the case with Pakistani Muslim…. All the time you guys speak about Gujarat Incidents…. No one is telling that it is for good, Everyone condems it…… Indian Muslims know it.

Dry and Dark India…. Oops…. Indian temples had Huge gold and Dimond reserves…. that is what attracked all the Invaders.

Except one or two Mughal Rulers… Everyone else are busy in increasing the number of wifes they had….. Nothing in science and technology developed during that time… How can you expect Cap manufaturers to know about Science and Technology… All they can know is just Madrassas…. Which unfortunately has nothing releted to Maths or Science.

I have no obligation to prove you otherwise of what you had learned from myth….. If the muslims in India hate Indian rule… I hope they can go to Pakistan at anytime… We are not stopping them…

I told about LTTE and you have judged I am a Tamilan…. I can tell you I know to speak Tamil, But I am not a Tamilian…..

You cannot divide the Indian Muslims and Hindus…. I know much more than about the Indian History than you… Your references to Mumtaz Mahal and Sultana Razia and my correction prove it beyond doubt.

By: Rezan

Rezan — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:14:30 +0000

This stupid hardcore Indian is spoiling everybody’s mood on this forum. The sooner we throw him out the better.Go back to your fanatical Hindu sites Mr Hard core . You do not belong here.
First of all it is not Urdu that is written inside walls of the Taj but Quranic Arabic. The entire verses of the Quran are written inside the Taj. Even to learn to write Quranic Arabic it takes years and years, This is why Muslim children start learning and writing the language from the age of five. Those who do not, find it very very hard to write later on in life in spite of following the religion seriously. They regret this very very much. So not even all Muslims read and write Arabic owing to their being educated in English and other languages or owiing to their living in non- Muslim countries. Learning to write Arabic has become something private nowadays. But in countries like Malaysia ,Indonesia, Central Asia,Muslim African countries(which make up more than half of the continent) and of course countries of the Middle east this language is learnt at young age.
So the above argument totally defeats your absurd theory written by some fanatical Hindu who is obviously a hater of all Muslims of the world that the Taj was built by Hindus. Are you trying to tell us that all these Hindu masons actually learnt Quranic Arabic in their mature age and then actually wrote it in the authentic style inside the Taj? Does it make any damn sense. The only people who can write this unusual script are those Muslims who have trained and taught from the very early age of 3-5 and who grow up writing this language. These masons were those who were brought from Persia.These people also knew to read and write the Quranic script.
Show us one monument in the entire land of India that resembles the Taj mahal. They could not even imitate it.But one sees so many buildings like the Taj in Iran and Central Asia.Is this not proof enough? Another very important point to be noted is that these Mughal Kings were very strict in their religious beliefs. They would never have allowed any non-believer to even write the words of the Quran because they consider this very, very sacred That in their eyes would be the greatest sin. Only a believing Muslim would be allowed to write Quranic words. This was nothing but Persian and Turkish architecture.
The fanatical far right Hindu politicians have paid massive amounts to people like your swami to write such articles. So it is not surprising to read such trash.
Do not waste your time here with your donkey brain theories and your idiotic references based on anti-Muslim hatred. The world is far more intelligent and informed to believe such trash and stupid nonsense.
There is a systematic propaganda of hate against the entire Muslim community of India since after partition. The far right fanatical bigoted Hindu parties came into power and spread this hate even further . They went far even to deny Islamic architecture as being such. Next they will say that all the mosques too were built by the Hindus! Can Muslim architects build temples like the Hindu masons or architects? They will not and cannot.There is a complete distinction between various arts and architecture in this world.Islamic architecture stands out as unique with its domes and spires as seen in the Taj. It is also seen in many buildings apart from the mosques. Hindu architecture has its own uniqueness but it is entirely different and only Hindu craftsmen can do it.
All Muslims of India and Pakistan do not consider themselves to be Persian. You cannot deny the fact that India was ruled by Muslims of Central Asia and Persia for a thousand years. Hence the massive Islamic influence in the Indian sub-continent today. Influence in the form of art,architecture,literature,poetry apparel,music and of course cuisine. The Mughal rule brought grandeur and beauty to dry and dark India.
Islam came to India in the 8th century. So the Muslims of India are pretty much Indian as anybody else although they may vary in culture and beliefs.Indians come to the shores of the US,UK and other western countries,live for a five years and demand a green card,British passport or whatever. These countries in spite of a conglomeration of international communities still offer them the citizenship of their countries. These Indians proudly call themselves ‘American’,British, ‘French’ or whatever. All after a matter of five years. 14 centuries is a pretty long time for Muslims of the sub-continent not to be looked upon as Indians.
Yes,India was partitioned on the basis of communal lines. But this was politics. If your fanatical revenge seeking vicious minded Hindu leaders political leaders did not create the animosity between two communities this would not have happened. As I had mentioned before Jinnah was known to be champion of Hindu Muslim amity. His fight was for merely the liberation of India. He soon found to his shock that Muslims who gave their lives for Indian Congress were being back stabbed. This is why he chose to create Pakistan a land for the security for Muslims of India.But unfortunately there two camps with divided opinions. People like Maulana Abul Kalam Azad who believed in the ‘two circle’ theory as he called it. ‘I am a devout Muslim as much as I am a devout Indian’ he said.He dismissed the idea of Pakistan. So 50% remained back in India while the rest chose a new land.Which decision was right is proved by today’s political situation in both the countries. Muslims in India especially in the north apart from a few exceptions still live in insecurity, fear and hopelessness in spite of 62 years after partition. They find no jobs easily .Even affluent Muslims find it difficult to find housing in leading cities of India. The Muslims in Pakistan had unfortunately no sound leadership owing to constant military rule and other ethnic problems. Hence there are economic and social problems. But this is a different situation totally.I am being fair on this statement and not at all biased.
The views expressed by Indians of South India are different from those of North Indians. North India and South India are like two different countries.From your views I take it you are Tamil from the South. You have a long way to go to get a good grasp of entire South Asian history. Good luck.

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:24:42 +0000

“in the history mostly 99% Muslim are involved in suiside bombing bcze they dont afraid from death. CAN ANY HINDU KILL HIMSELF LIKE THIS?????”

The Suicide bombing in this world was started by the Hindus…. Confused… LTTE…. Only after them the Suicide bombing popular..

Dont agree with me… Search CIA website

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:41:51 +0000

I appreciate your policy yarr….. “I will type a post of more than 2000 words, but I will never ever give any links to substantiate my thoughts”

Keep it up….. Everything is your Myths…. Son of the soil.

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:16:52 +0000

‘Srila Jayapataka Swami, a sannyasi or “priest”, has studied India’s religious history for the past 30 years. He says, “The Taj was probably built by Mughals but using Hindu artisans and architects. In those days things were very integrated. Mughals were ruling but often they had Hindu ministers and generals.”‘

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0201/ET17-7101.html

I am not giving proof to you, I am giving proof to other readers, There were no great Muslim Crafts men during that time in India.

People can read and provide me who is most trust worthy.. me or Rezan.

FYI, The South of India is a Major tourist spots… Particularly Kerala, It is not that Taj Mahal is the only Place in India that every Tourist wants see… I have seen many Tourists who never go to Taj Mahal.

Taj Mahal is one of the mordern 7 wonders of the world and that is not alone India.

http://www.tourindia.com/htm/homepage.htm
http://www.india-tour.com/

If any one believe that Taj Mahal is built by all Muslims, Please provide me a non-Pakistani link.

I am very clear…. You have a clear mind set… You and your terrorists want to create a divide between Hindus and Muslims, We are not going to allow that to happen. Dont waste your time here… Read some mythologies in the Madrassas.

“Just stop and think. Do you see a difference between a Hindu and Muslim architecture? Have you visited Iran or Central Asia? Half of the buildings there look like the Taj Mahal. This only proves that it was the people from these regions who ruled India brought in own their style of architecture.”

- Illogical statements, I can tell the Hindu Masons can see any architecture and can build it… Shortly they are more in learning new thisgs…. Why is it not possible? Provide logical proofs… not A=B and Muslim=Christian.

I told that Taj Mahal is built by Hindu Masons, Not by Hindu King, It was built by Shah Jehan, He would have ordered the buildings to be written in Urdu or arabic… but that writing does not mean that it was entirely built by muslims.

If I can Argue like you, I can tell “Taj Mahal is built by a Hindu King, and later Shah Jehan destroyed all the details and painted Urdu inside it… ” Agreed with me?

Muslim rulers wanted to build the monuments, so the Hindus slaves built it… Nothing more that that.

The Administration of Mughal Rulers is not of world class, If they have that much administrative system then Britishers and French should not have entered into India…. The English does have a very good Administration.. they proved in WW – I and II.

The Americans ruling the world now…. more than that they are ruling the Pakistan now.What are you guys going to do about it.

The Indian Railway system was built by the Britishers… This too was done by the Indian workers…. but with the English technology.

Sati was a worst practice done by Hindus, It was the English which abolished it with the advice of Raja Ram MohanRoy. We Indians have only one great advantage over the Chinese… English Language… There were no great English speaking population in China… Though it is improving now in China.

PA also Raped women in Bangladesh…. You were not saints.

You told many things about Americans, I hope I replied to you long back, anyway I am replying again.

The Sole superpower will act only like that. They will do anything and everything at their disposal to retain their super power status.

The Budget of Chinese armed forces recently is 100 Billion US $, but the Americans will create an impression that Chinese Budget is 200 Billion US $ and they will get huge steep rise in their next Budget.

If tomorrow India becomes a super power… The Americans will not like it… and they will do anything and everything to stop us…. Simple Logic… Nations do not have permanent friends or enemies. only permanent interests…. The Britishers and French were enemies for centuries… but they were friends now.

You don’t fell for sending 10 terrorist to kill unarmed population… Why should we worry about you? You reap what you sow….

I am sorry Pakistan is not a developing Country is in middle of Civil war conditions… THe US will dump you one day… After that you will have your time in fighting the Taliban…. They will do every attempt to take your Nukes… If they take your Nukes, That is the worst you can imagine.

Kashmir is an Integrated Part of India…. Periods… Refrain from making comments on that topic…. We are very, very, very serious about this… Why the hell should we divide India in the name of Religion… You people always tell that you are of Persian Orgin.. Go to persia… We Indians can live peacefully with the Muslims who think they are Indians. Others get out… Call me aggressive? yes I am in this point.

US can give you some low end equipments to encourage you to fight against Pakistan…. If they are arming you, Then why dont you get the F-22’s and Very high end equipments like F-35?

one more thing.. We are not begging, We are giving money to buy the equipments, I hope you the difference between what you get by begging and what you get by paying money.

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:34:36 +0000

I can clearly say that you want to befriend a Indian Muslim.

Please don’t do that…. And here is an example that you are miximg up Religion(Islam) with each and every item in this world.

By: HardCoreIndian

HardCoreIndian — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:24:16 +0000

Kindly attend a spoken English Class, No offence meant.

By: Chauhadry

Chauhadry — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:15:06 +0000

salaam,
everyone must know that indian army mostly depends on sikhs and Muslims also.and em also a sardar and i know vry well tht we almost r people. and hindus using us against Muslims but in the hindi videos they always show us fool(sardar) persons.The thing is tht the main difference is
Hindus worships many things like cow as (maata).
They all are mostly vegetarians.

they always make strategies to develop them and with it to degrade others(Muslims)

but in Pakistani Muslims i c a grt thing that is sacrifice. and i think they are the most courageous warrior in this world if thre leadership would strong.
like in 1965 more thn 500 soldiers(pakistani) pushed them under our tanks and blasted them. they always can kill there ownself for the sake of Allah and there motherland. Mlitants US called Freedom fighters against ussr and today now they are terrorist what the hell is this??? US always using them for there own benefits.

and in the history mostly 99% Muslim are involved in suiside bombing bcze they dont afraid from death. CAN ANY HINDU KILL HIMSELF LIKE THIS????????????????????????????????

sorry if em hurting anyone. u can discus it wth me.thnx tcrz

By: Murthi

Murthi — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:03:01 +0000

..and how Hinduism/Hindus are protected in
Pakistan ?

By: Murthi

Murthi — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:57:57 +0000

@Rezan,

by the way what is your thought
on Hinduism ?

By: Rezan

Rezan — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:10:51 +0000

Mr Qanda,
First of all thank you for writing so positively about Islam. Your remark ‘I have noting but admiration for Islam’ enthralled me. But unfortunately very few Indians have this opinion. They always refer to Islam as ‘terrorist religion’just because of some violent actions of a few individuals who merely protest against the injustices of certain countries. They insult our Books,our Prophet and the entire ‘Ummah’ the world Islamic community with the active co-operation of the media especially in the West. The Christian fundamentalist radio of the US has a 24-hour propaganda station against Islam and all Muslims. I do not have to repeat the atrocities being committed by the western powers against Islamic countries today nor talk about the fiery anti-Muslim hate speeches by the far right Hindu political parties of India.
You only have to see some Indian websites to believe what I am saying.The hatred they preach is unbelievable.
I never said that Pakistan is a protector of Islam. Neither did I say that all Indians are ignorant of Islam.In fact in one of my postings i had mentioned names of people like Yoginder Sikand,Ram Puniyani,Romila Thapar etc.
Pakistan is today unfortunately more political than religious. In fact it is going against the principles of Islam. Thus there is a division in Pakistani society today.
In my reply to you I had even suggested that we should not confuse religion with politics.
Your views are rare. This is what i meant when I wrote to Capton that our views and our judgement arise according to our backgrounds,our life circumstances. the environment we live in and our regional influence. Our ideas are formed according to this.
This discussion was not a waste of time as you say. Some good things came out of it after all. Some corrections were made.
In the flurry of modern politics the human mind can play tricks and one can go wrong with historical dates and names etc. So these should be politely overlooked.
I had also the opportunity of recommending you some books and my respect for the Kerala people has grown.
Thank you again.

By: qanda

qanda — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:05:53 +0000

Mr.Rezan
If you were talking about Islamic rule, that too made a start in the 8th century when Mohmed ibn Qasim overran Sind upto Multan. But that is beside the point. What you see as my arrogance and rudeness is in fact just impatience, which maybe equally bad. It is impatience with the way you make statements and proclamations without first getting your facts right. As I already said, you are not allowed to rewrite history to suit your argument; it has got to be the other way! And think twice before you make sweeping statements like “you Indians don’t know anything about Islamic history”, because you might get caught on the wrong foot!
I have nothing but respect for Islam, although I am myself an agnostic. You mentioned the king of Kerala who embraced Islam. That king was Cheraman Perumal who went to Mecca and never returned, and my ancestors may have been his subjects. I live a few kilometres from his capital, Kodungallur. His mosque, the very first on the coast, is still functioning and we protect it. I have many close muslim friends and often dine with their families, so don’t get wrong ideas! The trouble is when you try to project Pakistan as the protector of Islam. Pakistan may have a lot of “muslims”, but very little “Islam”. The two are different.
This discussion is a waste of time as I see it, and so I’m quitting. I should utilise my time more profitably elsewhere.
Thanks for recommending those books.

By: qanda

qanda — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:19:05 +0000

MADRASSAH TRASH !! PLEASE IGNORE!
(Do not dignify this scum with a reply!)

By: Rezan

Rezan — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:07:28 +0000

Pakistan feels exactly the same way. It feels India is making full preparations to attack Pakistan. So like I had mentioned we all think according to circumstances and environment and experience. The whole thing is a matter of opinion. Heroes are villains for some and vice versa.Right becomes wrong and vice versa.This is the unfortunate situation in today’s world.

By: capton

capton — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:08:00 +0000

I’ve a question to all what what is “Mission 2012″? This was an statement of an Pakitani spy caught in India few months back. He was claiming that Pakitan is aiming to launch a large scale military attack on India on 2012? Initially I didn’t believe it but recent actions inside pakistan border are forcing me to believe in it.

By: capton

capton — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:49:40 +0000

Rezan,
First of all thanks for appreciating but let me clear few points which you raise here.

Ok Pakistan is a not completely an democratic country so things can’t be equal between India and Pakistan. Now if you are talking about freedom of speech in India and relating it with Jaswant Singh then you should keep in mind that Jaswant Singh was expelled from his party but didn’t get punished by government system or court. And afterall it was an political which we’ll discuss later.

I don’t have enough information about Babri so I’ll not discuss about it. Now let’s come to the point of Jinnah’s hand shake experience with Hindu then I’ll say that mostly Hindu families are vegetarian and condemn non-veg so if a Hindu person take non-veg and will meet the same family and if they know that the person has taken non-veg then that family will behave same as they behaved with Jinnah. If a person of the same family take non-veg and come to home they’ll not touch him also untill he don’t go for bath. So, it was not a muslim, it was an non-veg habit was responsible for such behaviour.

I’ll say Jinnah was lucky that family hand shaked to Jinnah but at that time people were so uneducated that they don’t even touch few Hindu person’s which we call “Untouchability”. Jinnah was aware about this fact but he didn’t thought about that, he directly jumped to a conclusion that Hindu don’t like Muslims. Jinnah made a single mistake that considering himself that much intelligent that nobody can fool him and this overconfidence get noticed by britisher’s and they took advantage.

Now if you say that muslims in India don’t get their right and justice then you must have researched about it or you’ve refered any authentic report regarding this. If you’ve any kind of authentic proof let me see. I’m not showing a rosy picture it’s true, yes ofcourse there are some problems exists but it doesn’t mean that muslims in India are slaves of Hindus.

Now let’s come to burning issue about Kashmir. I agree that Raja Hari Singh was non-muslim leading the area of muslim population. So I’ve a question that what do you think is the solution of Kashmir? Should India give Kashmir to Pakistan? You’re saying that Kashmiri people don’t get freedom or their right to vote then why terrorists always try to stop them to go for voting? Why terrorists try to stop election in Kashmir? Several time India’d taken openion of Kashmiri people and they chosen to be a part with India but you don’t accept it.
If Kashmiri people should get the right to give their opinion then what do you think about Balochistan? Shouldn’t they get a chance to express their opinion? Kashmir is an important part of India and directly related to India’s soveregnity and pride so India can’t let anybody to take Kashmir in any way. Kashmir become part of India by their will and after 1948 war India took independent opinion of Kashmiri people you didn’t accepted it why? What do you think about Tibbat? China attacked on tibbat and says it is their region and if you’ll even say that tibbat is a free nation then they’ll attack on you. So who is more democratic? I’ve gone thoroughly to the history of Kashmir and Indo-Pak, Sino-Indian wars and relations that’s why I’m confident about my arguments. Are you confident enough?

And last I’m not comparing Modi, Togadia with Hamid Gul, Zaki-ur rehman because they are different people and they work for their interest. I’ve seen an television interview in which Mr. Hamid Gul was saying about Mumbai attack and he was saying that suppose if we sent 10 terrotist to India and they’ve done that much then think what will happen if we send 1000 terrorists to India??? What he was saying “Nani yaad aa jayegi”. This was Hamid Gul.

At least take action on the mastermind behind mumbai attack but you always seems to point on India and always come with new execuse sometime with inappropriate evidences and sometime other matters.

Think on it.

By: Rezan

Rezan — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:28:31 +0000

Ok Mr arrogant rude Qanda
I thought we were talking about Islamic rule in India. Now you have taken us back into the advent of Islam in the world. Islam came not just to India in the 8th century but to the entire world.But that discussion was not relevant to ours. I was talking about Muslim loyalty and devotion to India during their rule. Thank you so much for reminding all of us here. In fact all the Indians should know this compulsorily because in spite of Muslims living in India for such a long time they are still referred to as ‘foreigners’ or not completely Indians.This is in reference to the comments made so often by the far right Hindu parties that Muslims in India are not real Indians and that they should be thrown back to countries of the Middle east,or Pakistan or wherever.
Islam entered India in the most peaceful form through preachers especially in the southern coast of India. It is historically documented that the king of Kerala was one of the first to adopt Islam as his religion.This is the reason why there are so many Muslims in Kerala. Yes you are right All this began in the 8th century. But then we have to separate religion from history and politics if we wish to make our discussions clear. Nevertheless I must say I admire your passion and interest in the history of Islam.
You should read the works by Karen Armstrong, Carl Ernst, John Esposito, Syed Hussein Nasr ,Prof Akbar Ahmed and many others to get a thorough grasp of this subject.
Thank you again.

By: Rezan

Rezan — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:54:07 +0000

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By: Rezan

Rezan — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:01:40 +0000

Mr Hardcore Indian
Please read my post sent to Capton.
I also want to reply to you but when I read about your comments on Taj Mahal I changed my mind.
Taj mahal built by Hindus??!!Ha ha ha.
This is the views shared by hard core members of the far right Hindu fanatical idiot parties who live with a terrible sense of inferiority complex. They do not seem to get over the fact that they were ruled by Muslims for a thousand years.They hate the thought that a monument that has popularized India throughout the world and is the largest source of income of tourism was built by the Muslim rulers. So they have to lie as usual and make a story. And ’super brain’ people like you believe it and even echo it.Maybe you are even part of this crazy clique of comedians.
Just stop and think. Do you see a difference between a Hindu and Muslim architecture? Have you visited Iran or Central Asia? Half of the buildings there look like the Taj Mahal. This only proves that it was the people from these regions who ruled India brought in own their style of architecture. Cant you see the Taj Mahal is styled in the shape of a mosque.And when did the Hindus start writing Quranic arabic. The entire interior of the Taj mahal is inscribed with the words of the holy Quran. Wow wow wow. Mr hardcore man. Give us all a break before you become the laughing stock of this forum.
You cannot deny the fact that the Mughals were great builders. It is these people who gave beautiful gardens to India,beautiful monuments built with precious stones, built roads , created a monetary system ,an excellent administration. They stayed back in India and built India and their descendants were proud to call themselves Indians. Unlike the British who came with the sole purpose of stealing the resources of India and using it as their country of exploitation while remaining aloof from the local population owing to their racist attitudes. They looked upon the Indians as animals. Hunted them down as such and killed them as sport or form of revenge all the time. Women of decent royal lineage were raped at free will and the entire population was looked upon as servants or slaves. Yet you have forgiven them and love them while you have not forgiven those people who chose to live and die in India as Indians.
You now love their cousins across the continent to whom the baton of colonialism was handed over. They are slowly and slowly colonising the world in their own style. They unleash their soldiers who behave like mad wild dogs on poor defenceless populations of the world with hi-tech weapons of mass destruction rendering them homeless and orphaned. In the sixties it was countries like Nicaragua and Panama who were the victims of American bullying and murder. Then came the turn of Vietnam and then Iraq,Afghanistan and now even Pakistan is appearing ominous.It is estimated that in Iraq there are today some half a million orphans and an equal number of widows apart from an equal number that were slaughtered for a reason based on a lie the world will never understand. An ancient civilisation razed to the ground,its rich cultural heritage destroyed,its infrastructure in shambles. its economy shattered and totally diminished while its population is busy engaged in an ethnic civil war created most cunningly and viciously by the US ‘liberators’ and ‘universal champions of democracy’. Afghanistan is being bombed since eight long years.Yet you do not utter one word of condemnation at the illegality and criminal behaviour of the bullying powers. And Afghanistan thinks you are their best friend. In fact you applaud the aggressors just as you fail to condemn the criminal behaviour of another mad dog country namely Israel whom you regard as your best friend. So where is the sense of justice here.The political situation of India and Pakistan history should not come in the way of expressing outrage at the violation of human norms and making a mockery of human conscience as regards another country or another people. A crime is a crime no matter who commits it.
Do not wallow in the stagnant gutters of fabricated history. It will only create an incurable septic infection in your minds. Free your minds from prejudice and unreasonable form of vengeance. Both India and Pakistan are still developing countries and have a long way to go.
Pakistan has no quarrel with India. India left the Kashmir problem as a festering sore in the body of the sub-continent. Until it is cured the body will die of infection.Do not blame the consequences. Blame the cause.
Do not live in the dream that the US is a friend. Do not forget that it is arming Pakistan equally as it is aiding you in the same.It is nobody’s friend.It is merely an opportunist and a bully.